Engaging in philanthrophic activities to get money and public/Government support.

Deviation 1.
Engaging in Philanthropic activities to get land and money from the Government and the public.

First let us see what Srila Prabhupada says about performing philanthropic activities -
“Unfortunately, when the acarya disappears, rogues and non-devotees take advantage and immediately begin to introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so-called svamis, yogis, philanthropists, welfare workers and so on. […] The acarya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered. The perfect disciples of the acarya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the spiritual master."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam, 4.28.48, purport)
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I. Engaging in Bhoga Distribution program
The whole Akshay Patra (A.P) program of IB group of temples is engaged in distributing food which is cooked and distributed by paid employees. Most of these employees take intoxication (in the form of chewing tobacco, smoking bidi or cigarettes or taking alcohol) and many of them eat meat, fish or eggs. Most of these employees specially those who are directly involved in cooking and distributing food are given very less salaries, they come from very poor backgrounds and have unclean habits*

* the above statements are based on the findings of a research done by one devotee who is also an accredited journalist by profession. We will be publishing the detailed statistics very soon.

The food is cooked and distributed by these non-devotees who are paid salary for distributing this bhoga. The Akshay Patra devotees publically say that they are secular and the food they are distributing is not prasadam because the government is helping them only under this condition.

Since India is a secular country they cannot distribute prasadam in government schools which is attended by the students of different religious faiths. And doing sankirtan, giving spiritual instruction or distributing Srila Prabhupada’s books along with this so called prasadam distribution is obviously out of question.

Let us see what Srila Prabhupada says about distributing food:
“If we open a branch in Madras, actually there are so many poor children there. Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense. Spiritual education means just to inject in their ears about our philosophy, externally they chant beads, wear tilak, without any discrimination of Hindu or Muslim or anything.” 
(Letter to: Gurudasa, Honolulu,13 May, 1972)

Let us see some more quotes of Srila Prabhupada which will throw more light as to what is the actual desire of His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada with regard to prasadam distribution program -
We can organize for distribution of prasadam all over India, in factories, schools, and so on. If we simply have kirtana and distribute nice prasadam, everywhere there will be good respect for us. So I hope you will stick very closely to this matter of acquiring surplus foodstuffs from your government and seeing to it that the food is distributed widely throughout India by our Krishna Consciousness devotees.
(Letter to: Gurudasa—Los Angeles, 12 June, 1972)

Sometimes the IB group of  devotees  justify their “bhoga distribution program” by stating the following quote of Srila Prabhupada:
“Now I am especially concerned to distribute grains, rice, wheat in the form of dahl and rice prasadam to hungry people all over India. The people here are very disturbed because, partly due to the punishment of Nature, and partly due to the mismanagement of the demon class of men, food is not available. If the people do not even have sufficient food they will not even be able to receive spiritual instructions. So I am hopeful that if we can widely distribute free foodstuffs to the people of India, by giving it out at our centers as well as by travelling parties to villages, we will win over the whole country and the whole world by this activity on Krsna's behalf.
(Letter to: Satyahit—Vrindaban, 16 March, 1974)

Please note, here also Srila Prabhupada is again saying that the main idea to distribute sufficient food is to give them facility to receive spiritual instructions.He has already stated previously “Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense.” On the contrary A.P’s food is cooked and distributed by mostly karmis and vikarmis. Moreover to get land and money  from the Government A.P has compromised that they will not use the word “KRISHNA” or anything to do with religion anywhere in their whole program what to speak of giving spiritual instructions.

Sometimes the IB group of devotees justify their employing of professionals who are karmis and vikarmis for cooking and distributing Prasadam by stating the following quote of Srila Prabhupada:
“In the Sankirtana festival pandal if a very big kitchen arrangement can be made, then we shall distribute prasadam daily. Try to make this arrangement. Puri, halava, kitri—whatever can be arranged as much as possible. Tamala Krishna and Giriraja have all the ideas. Some professional men should be engaged 24 hours preparing prasadam. There are many volunteer organizations in Calcutta. They should come forward and help us distribute prasadam.”
Letter to Jayapatka Maharaj, Bombay,24 April, 1971

But there are other quotes of Srila Prabhupada where he is specifying the standard of these professional cooks and the conditions in which this Prasadam is to be distributed -
“So far your hired Brahmin cook, since we have our prasadam distribution program this may be necessary, but he must be clean, no smoking, and he must wear kunti beads. As far as possible he must follow our principles.”
Letter to: Giriraja—Tokyo, 23 April, 1972

Mahäàça: Some people I know, they said that yesterday the prasädam was not nice
Prabhupäda: Not nice, it is not eatable even by the dogs. But you are less than the dogs if you (prepare) such thing. I was surprised. You allowed a sweeper to cook. I was surprised. We have distribution prasädam, not dog's food. Such rascals as here. You do not know. I do not wish to discuss anymore on this point. You have murdered the whole thing in two days.
Room Conversation on Farm Management, December 10, 1976, Hyderabad

We cannot eat anything not offered to Krishna, and we cannot offer anything to Krishna which is not cooked by a devotee.
Letter to: Jayapataka—Los Angeles,12 August, 1969

Please note that Srila Prabhupada wants that if we hire professional cooks they should be following our principles as far as possible, wear tilak, kanthi mala, food distribution should be accompanied by sankirtan and giving spiritual instructions, distribution should be done by Krishna Conscious devotees etc etc. – A.P is violating all these rules and still they are claiming that this program is approved by Srila Prabhupada.

Please click here to see the latest advertisement of Akshay Patra which is being shown on the television to raise money.
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II. Supporting the cause of eradicating hunger
Please refer to the following words of MPP given on facebook one month back on July 17^th 2014 -
“Glad to meet the former US President Bill Clinton. He had visited our Akshaya Patra kitchen at Jagatpura. Fruitfully discussed on various topics like how we can eradicate hunger, impart education to every child, etc.”

Sometimes A.P devotees also say that A.P is distributing food to the hungry who may later on become devotees. At least the hunger problem is being taken care of. They say “Something is better than nothing”.

Let us see what Srila Prabhupada says in this connection -
Prabhupada: God consciousness does not depend on distribution of food. It requires cultural education. It does not mean that one who has got enough food, he is God conscious. The food distribution is not one of the conditions for becoming God conscious. That is wrong project. "If people are given sufficient food, they will become God conscious" -- that is not the fact. But people advance this theory, that "We are now economically distressed. We cannot turn our attention to God consciousness." That is a wrong plea. God consciousness does not depend on any material condition.
Room Conversations -- July 26, 1975, Laguna Beach

So far prasāda distribution, it is not a question of rich or poor. That will be Karma Kānda. Our program therefore is that we offer prasāda to everyone. Make our temple so nice that everyone who comes is offered some prasāda. Not that we are after poor men. It is nice that we are feeding 200 daily, but gradually try to increase. But do not advertise, we shall be self-advertising. And do not go to poor areas, this is not our philosophy. Our philosophy is prasāda distribution, without discrimination rich or poor.
(Letter to Girirāja: Honolulu 15 May 1972)

Readers can also refer to the article posted by Madhudvisa  Prabhu 2 years back  http://krishna.org/the-best-welfare-work/ which will throw more light on this subject matter.
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III. Supporting mundane education system
All the vans of Akshay Patra which are running  around the different cities of India cannot use the word Krishna or anything to do with religion anywhere. Maximum they have managed is to put Srila Prabhupada’s photograph on each van and in that also they are promoting His Divine Grace as a mundane philanthrophist whose desire was to distribute food to the poor so that they are not deprived of the so-called education given by the government!!!

Please see the following lines which are put beneath Srila Prabhupada’s photo on each van of A.P -
“Program for distributing free food to support education.”
In another place following lines are mentioned :
“To fulfill the great desire of Srila Prabhupada to distribute food to the hungry”.

Let us see what Srila Prabhupada says about the mundane education system :
“Government curriculum is useless”.
Conversation: "How to Secure Brahmacärés"—June 24, 1977, Våndävana

“Prabhupäda: No they say, they simply give primary education (indistinct) they can read, that's all. And (indistinct). They don't send because everyone knows that sending boys to the school means spoil them. That's all. I have seen intelligent boys, they go to school and he is spoiled. Yes, spoiled. He learns how to smoke, how to have sex, how to talk nonsense, how to use knife, how to fight, these things. At least at the present moment. Yes. Simply slaughterhouse, this so-called school is called slaughterhouse. Yes, slaughterhouse.”
Room Conversation—July 9, 1973, London

Just imagine AP is distributing bhoga to the children so that they can go to the slaughter houses and A.P is saying that they are fulfilling Srila Prabhupada’s heartfelt desire by doing this activity. This is cheating and misrepresenting our spiritual master Srila Prabhupada. All sincere disciples of Srila Prabhupada should protest to protect the real fame of Srila Prabhupada as a pure devotee of Krishna.

In fact A.P is promoting this mundane education system. Please refer to the following words of MPP given on facebook one month back on July 17^th 2014 -
“Glad to meet the former US President Bill Clinton. He had visited our Akshaya Patra kitchen at Jagatpura. Fruitfully discussed on various topics like how we can eradicate hunger, impart education to every child, etc.”

Click the below links to see some photos and videos where MPP and CPP (Chanchal Pati Prabhu) are praising this slaughterhouse education system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmswP1HmJVM (see at 1:10)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaPj46P6vr8  (see at 4:30)
See the result of this philantrophic activity, just see what the children are chanting at 3:35 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjrVxTQv44

This mundane education system which is being praised and supported by senior IB leaders like MPP has been highly criticized by Srila Prabhupada in not only his conversations but also his Srimad Bhagavatam purports. 

Please refer to the following purport of Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1, Chapter 1 , Verse No. 22 -
The whole system of education is geared to sense gratification, and if a learned man thinks it over, he sees that the children of this age are being intentionally sent to the slaughterhouses of so-called education. Learned men, therefore, must be cautious of this age, and if they at all want to cross over the dangerous ocean of Kali, they must follow the footsteps of the sages of Naimiñäraëya and accept Çré Süta Gosvämé or his bona fide representative as the captain of the ship. The ship is the message of Lord Çré Kåñëa in the shape of Bhagavad-gétä or the Çrémad-Bhägavatam.

Another purport of Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1, Chapter 1, Verse 10 -
“The people of this age are also very lazy, not only materially but in the matter of self-realization. The human life is especially meant for self-realization. That is to say, man should come to know what he is, what the world is, and what the supreme truth is. Human life is a means by which the living entity can end all the miseries of the hard struggle for life in material existence and by which he can return to Godhead, his eternal home. But, due to a bad system of education, men have no desire for self-realization. Even if they come to know about it, they unfortunately become victims of misguided teachers.”

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IV. Supporting Secularism
In Madhu Pandit Prabhu’s (MPP’s) own words in his letter to Dayalu Nitai Prabhu on Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM–
“Akshay Patra trustees want the organization to be secular. It cannot associate publicly with religious mission. And it has nothing to do with vision of the kind of your vedic village.”

Let us see what Srila Prabhupada says about this:
“You cannot give up religion. Dharmena hénäù paçubhiù samänäù. If people become irreligious in the name of secularism, then they are simply animals. So it is the government's duty to see that the citizens are not becoming animals. He may profess a type of religion. That doesn't matter. But he must be religious. That is secular state. Not that secular state means government is callous, "Let the people become cats and dogs, without religion. Government doesn't care." That is not good government. What do you think?”
Room Conversation with Indian Ambassador—September 5, 1973, Stockholm

Prabhupäda: No, even if we approach higher authorities... Our men in New Delhi saw Indira Gandhi.
Ambassador: Yes.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Prabhupäda: Yes. She said that "This is the position, that we are secular. We cannot support." Of course, we want simply Kåñëa's support. And we are increasing. We are not decreasing. The movement was started in 1966.
Room Conversation with Indian Ambassador, September 5, 1973, Stockholm

“Our Vedic idea of secular state is the government must be responsible of proper execution of religious system. It doesn't matter whether one is Hindu or one is Christian, one is Mohammedan or Buddhist”
 Room Conversation—February 26, 1973, Jakarta.

“It is the duty of government to see that people are religious. Not that "Because government is secular, let the people go to hell."
Room Conversation with Indian Ambassador—September 5, 1973, Stockholm

Please see the below link to see the views of senior leaders of IB group like Chanchalpati prabhu (CPP) about the current leaders of the Government

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXcP9L6bWsA

Just imagine here Srila Prabhupada is talking to an ambassador who is a highly placed Indian government official, directly criticizing the government for their so called secular approach and here MPP is ready to become secular in order to get land and money from the government in the name of serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
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V. Engaging in other philanthropic activites.
Akshay Patra is also involved in many other philanthropic activities like organizing polio camps (a camp for giving some vaccination), distributing drinking water (this is done under  Akshay Jal Dhara), selling customized food to the diseased people according to their diseases like giving sugar free food to diabetes patients, salt free food to B.P patients etc. in the hospitals. This they do under the name of another trust called “Touch Stone” which is one of the 40 trusts created by MPP. There is another trust by the name of “WAHTS” which organizes self-defense camps for teaching martial arts to girls, organizing medical camps etc. Incidently MPP is directly or indirectly associated with all these trusts.

Click the links given below to see some videos and images in this connection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jIjMkHqbU

https://www.dropbox.com/s/usog0h7a5pnag4m/philanthropic%20work%20by%20AP.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ws5bfyxul2zqee5/Girls%20karate%202.JPG

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vdjmpq0xqh0ga3u/Girls%20karate%203.JPG

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pks4qjbqv2r12y6/Ananda%20Krsna%20Das%20ib%20devotee%20addressing.JPG

https://www.dropbox.com/s/95pno7c7cm8lej2/akd%20and%20mpd.JPG

I.B group of temples are also seen advertising that they will hold house programs and do sankirtan which will counteract bodily diseases, infighting in the house between family members etc. etc. Please clickhere to see the brochure which is being promoted by A.P, Jaipur.

Let us see what Srila Prabhupada says about it -
So Ajämila did not do that. He was sinful, but he never utilized Kåñëa to counteract his sinful life. Aparädha-çünya, without any offense—that was his qualification. He did not know what is the value of chanting the holy name. He... Fallen down, he became a rogue, rascal. That's all right. But he never utilized the chanting of name for counteracting his sinful activities. No, he never did.
Lecture by Srila Prabhupada on Canto 6, Chapter 2, Verse 3

Note: Very soon we will be uploading many more videos and photographs which will confirm the above claims.  
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VI. Engaging in complicated businesses on a very large scale like real estate, selling customized food to hospitals etc. etc. etc. to make money in the name of preaching.
Sometimes the A.P leaders say that this A.P is our business for getting land and making money and Temple.President can do business to support his preaching activities.

In the beginning days of ISKCON movement, Srila Prabhupada did approve the devotees to engage in various businesses to raise money to establish his movement but even at that time it was always with a word of caution so that the devotees may not get deviated from the real purpose of self realization for which they have come. Please refer to the following instructions which were given in 1968 -
Money making schemes should be easy; we cannot divert our attention for money making activities. We require some money for prosecuting our activities, and if we get that money by contribution that is best, otherwise, we can sell our literature and books, etc. But if we direct our attention like others, then it becomes karma. And karma is very dangerous for persons who want to go back to Godhead - Letter to: Hamsaduta, Montreal, 21 June, 1968

Anyway, the best source of our income should be by accepting contributions from the sympathetic public, and selling our own books and literature. That is also a sort of business, but it doesn't matter. And if we do business we must do it independently, without any assistance from outsiders. We can take help from outside in the matter of monetary help, either by contribution or by loan, but not to enter into transactions with outsiders. Because their aim of life is different from ours.
Letter to Brahmananda, Montreal,28 June, 1968

But later on when devotees started becoming too much money minded, Srila Prabhupada gave many instructions discouraging them from engaging in these businesses. Some of these instructions are being reproduced below which were given in late 1970’s -
“I am seeing now that the business activities in our society, they are increasing. Originally I allowed that Gargamuni could start the incense business. I thought that the Ramakrishna Mission, they are doing and the incense we are using, so if we make some and sell it, then what is the harm. But now I see that Spiritual Sky, they have so many products. And now there is jewelry business going on. So why should the business increase? Nanda Kumar, he came here to India simply for doing business. This is not required. So I have given him sannyasa and now he is finished with all business, and he will go to Africa to preach. So this business should be discouraged, otherwise, if they do it, our men will again become karmis. Our business is simply book distribution.”
Letter to Jagadisa Das, Bombay,20 November, 1975

Srila Prabhupada at some places did approve and even encourage some devotees to do business, earn money and spend for Krishna. But generally he discouraged the devotees (specially the brahamcharis and sanyasis who are supposed to be seriously engaged in the business of self-realization) from engaging in complicated money making businesses. Opposed to these instructions of Srila Prabhupada, today even many of the Temple Presidents of IB group of temples have become commission agents for selling flats, houses, villas and land to the karmis and vikarmis.

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VII. Compromising in the name of preaching
When Akshay Patra devotees are confronted with these questions they say that in the background of these activities they are able to get land and money from the government and big corporate houses to do the real preaching activities of building temples and making devotees. Let us see what Srila Prabhupada says in a similar situation regarding introducing mundane education in the gurukulas which will help to win large scale government and public support -

Prabhupäda: Keep this institution pure, not that we have to make it impure. Fighting, we want fighting. If we don't get, it will remain vacant, but we don't want to introduce impure. That should be a principle.
(Conversation:"How to Secure Brahmacärés"—June 24, 1977, Våndävana)

Indian lady: But the parents want certificate.
Prabhupäda: Therefore, if you want to satisfy the parents, the government, then it is not possible. You have to satisfy Kåñëa.
Indian lady: They have to go in colleges.
Prabhupäda: I know that. Therefore I said that if you have to satisfy so many masters, it is not possible.
(Roof Conversation—January 5, 1977, Bombay)

More over the dangers of running these philanthropic programs even with an intention of doing ‘real preaching’ behind this curtain are as follows:
1. Gradually the focus shifting to these philanthropic activities with the real preaching diminishing because these activities are associated with mass scale money, reputation, public and government support etc.. This is what is already happening in IB group of temples which is known as an organization which distributes food to the poor so that they can attend schools to get this mundane education

2. Devotees representing this secular organization cannot talk of Krishna directly whenever they are wearing the hat of A.P which is choking their spiritual growth.
In MPP’s own words in his letter to Dayalu Nitai Prabhu on Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM
“We are very careful and sensitive to the Akshayaptra board's decision not to mix up the two as they are two different organization especially in public eye . When we mix we loose very big corporate donors for the cause. Missionaries have two independent hats. One of Akshayaptra and other of Iskcon. Due to our extreme care on all these points we are attracting donations from corporates in millions. Even recently Ratan Tata sanctioned 55 crores to Akshayapatra. You think they would have given corporate funds if we had mixed up our functioning under two independent hats?”

Since most of the time the devotees are working under the hat of A.P they have to be extremely careful not to talk of Krishna so that they can get big donations for their philanthropic activities which are generally liked by the people as opposed to pure devotional service to the Lord.

3. Pressure of targets, collection and complying with demands of Govt. and other big industrialists who are supporting this program. MPP and other devotees of A.P/HKM have to do a big balancing game to maintain these two hats, one of A.P which has nothing to do with religion and another of HKM which is preaching about religion.

Why not be straight forward and preach boldly without compromising as Srila Prabhupada has shown by his own example.
Prabhupada: No. Why compromise? My Guru Mahäräja never made any compromise.
Atreya Rsi: Compromise means you have some material attachment.
Prabhupada: Yes, compromise means you don't want real business but you want some money by cheating and by bluffing. That's all. That is compromise.
(Conv. San Diego 29/06/72)

Prabhupada: I don’t make any compromise with these rascals. No words. No, no. I never made that. Even if I don’t get any disciples, I’ll be satisfied. But I can’t make any compromise like these rascals. I cannot make. Ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tara sahasrasah. If I create one moon, that is sufficient. I don’t want many stars. That was my Guru Maharaja’s principle, and that is my principle. What is the use of having number of fools and rascals? If one man understands rightly, he can deliver the whole world.
(MW Bombay 12/03/74)

Indian man: There was some trouble with your movement in America recently.
Prabhupada: We don’t care for this trouble. If you are sincere it is all right. We are facing so many difficulties. We don’t care for it. We never compromise. All my students, they will never compromise. Why shall I compromise? If I am confident that I am speaking the truth, why shall I make compromise? Those who are not confident of his position, they will make compromise. One who does not know where he stands, he will make compromise. And if I know where I am standing, why shall I make compromise? Let others do whatever he likes. This is our position.
(Press Int. Bombay 31/12/76)

The IB devotees may say that even if there are some deviations in this food distribution program of A.P but we are able to get so much land, money, making big big temples and so many devotees are joining us which is all very pleasing to Srila Prabhupada. To know the whole truth behind this making of big big temples and so many devotees joining please read deviation number 2,3 and 4 which will be published very soon.

Lastly we would like to draw the attention of all the innocent devotees (who are supporting A.P program by giving money or services thinking they are participating in pure devotional service which will help them to become free from reactionary work of Karma and go back to Godhead) to the following quotes of Srila Prabhupada:

So far prasāda distribution, it is not a question of rich or poor. That will be Karma Kānd. Our program therefore is that we offer prasāda to everyone.
(Letter to Girirāja: Honolulu 15 May 1972)

Money making schemes should be easy; we cannot divert our attention for money making activities. We require some money for prosecuting our activities, and if we get that money by contribution that is best, otherwise, we can sell our literature and books, etc. But if we direct our attention like others, then it becomes karma. And karma is very dangerous for persons who want to go back to Godhead - Letter to: Hamsaduta, Montreal, 21 June, 1968
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IN CONCLUSION
In conclusion, we can see that Srila Prabhupada wants the food to be cooked and distributed by devotees. For mass scale cooking Srila Prabhupada is telling at some places that we can hire professional cooks but they should be clean, wear kunthi mala and they should be following the regulative principles as far as possible. Moreover Srila Prabhupada is stressing the point that ‘Simply food distribution is nonsense”, it should be accompanied with kirtana and giving spiritual instructions.

A.P is violating all the above instructions of Srila Prabhupada. Food is being cooked and distributed by karmis and vikarmis. A.P cannot do kirtan or give spiritual instruction as they have to abide by Govt. regulations of being secular i.e not supporting any religious system and still they are calling it prasadam.

In purport of Bhagavad Gita Chapter 3, Verse No. 13, Srila Prabhupada writes as follows -
Others, who prepare food for self or sense gratification, are not only thieves, but are also the eaters of all kinds of sins. How can a person be happy if he is both a thief and sinful? It is not possible. Therefore, in order for people to become happy in all respects, they must be taught to perform the easy process of saìkértana-yajïa, in full Kåñëa consciousness. Otherwise, there can be no peace or happiness in the world. “

So we can judge for ourselves as to what is being distributed by A.P in the name of prasadam distribution. We should also note the conditions in which this distribution is taking place. Unfortunately ISKCON has also copied this deviation and they have also dived in this bhoga distribution program because this is giving them lot of money, name, fame and public and Govt.  support. Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection -
Prabhupäda: (laughs) Yes. Did you understand the words, "The blind leading the blind"? Do you agree? [break] ...culture, the basic principle is mistaken, bodily concept of life. How it can be perfect? [break] ... world's present so-called culture based on misconception. Therefore it cannot be perfect. Whatever they are doing, it is failure.
Morning Walk,October 4, 1975, Mauritius
We appeal to MPP who is head of IB group of devotees to at least have a philosophical debate with us otherwise they should accept their defeat and surrender to Srila Prabhupada’s original teachings. Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection -
Prabhupäda: That's all. Andhä yathändhair upanéyamänäù [SB 7.5.31]. Anyway he has admitted, "I do not know." That is sufficient defeat for him. But they are shameless. In spite of being defeated, they won't admit that "I am defeated." Not gentlemen. Formerly between two learned scholars there will be argument. If one is defeated... Just like Sarvabhauma Bhaööäcärya. As soon as he became defeated, he became His disciple. That's all. That was the system. Not that we go on arguing for hours, and one is defeated; still, he remains the same. No. If you are defeated, then you must accept the other party as your master. That was the system. As soon as he said that I do not know, he should have become your disciple. That is the system. "If you do not know why you have come to teach me."
Morning Walk, May 2, 1973, Los Angeles

Still if MPP does not come forward to discuss these issues than also we will keep speaking loudly for everyone’s benefit. Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection:
Even he remains silent, we shall speak very loudly and expose these bogus men. Let our philosophy be challenged by anyone and we shall defeat them. I want that you distribute our books very widely, as many as possible, then people will get the right information.
Letter to Hiranyagarbha das,22 November, 1971,Delhi.

So we have to expose them. They are not leader; they are jackals. So jackals cannot anymore rule over. That should be our propaganda. Not only scientific, all political things, social things, everything. They should be all kicked out. They should be replaced by Kåñëa consciousness. Then people will be happy. This should be our program. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money.
Morning Walk, May 3, 1973, Los Angeles

We invite all the devotees around the world for their comments.