We are reproducing some of the incidents to substantiate our claim
that whenever somebody raises some issues to A.P he is ostracized, banned, told
to surrender to authority, threatened to face the consequences etc. -
1) Bhakta Anirudh
He joined A.P, Jaipur in June 2012 and was sent to Hydrebad for ‘training’ under Satya Gaur Chandra Prabhu. The following are the words of Bhakta Anirudha which were sent to e-mail id hkc.jaipur@hotmail.com on 6th June 2014 when devotees asked him to give in writing about the various incidents which happened with him in Hyderabad about which he has been telling many devotees here since he has come from there in Nov. 2012.
Bhakta Aniruddha –
“I Am Anirudh Sharma, i am resident of Jaipur and have done my B.Tech. in Computer Science from a place Jaipur in Rajasthan. I enrolled for this course in the year 2008. During my college days I came in contact with the Hare Krishna movement. I attended many lectures in the Akshay Patra (an initiative of ISKCON Bangalore) Jaipur, and fortunately i started chanting also.
These were the days when I started scrutinizingly reading Srila Prabhupada (Founder Acarya of ISKCON and BBT) books and started taking this movement seriously and was able to see my future developing in the guidance of Srila Prabhupada. Just after my college i decided to serve this mission as a missionary and joined Akshay Patra, Jaipur in the year 2012 as a full time Brahmachari. To my surprise Anant sesa Dasa (Vice prisedent, Akshay Patra Jaipur) decided to send me to Akshay patra Hyderabad for training in spiritual life, I was been told that it (training) will be of 6 months and then again I will be transferred back to Akshay Patra Jaipur temple. I remained there for 5 long long months from June 2012 – Nov 2012. Now I will be narrating what I really saw there , the actual picture so that things can become clear and it obviously will be making a big difference to me if one devotee also can analyse it.
1) Bhakta Anirudh
He joined A.P, Jaipur in June 2012 and was sent to Hydrebad for ‘training’ under Satya Gaur Chandra Prabhu. The following are the words of Bhakta Anirudha which were sent to e-mail id hkc.jaipur@hotmail.com on 6th June 2014 when devotees asked him to give in writing about the various incidents which happened with him in Hyderabad about which he has been telling many devotees here since he has come from there in Nov. 2012.
Bhakta Aniruddha –
“I Am Anirudh Sharma, i am resident of Jaipur and have done my B.Tech. in Computer Science from a place Jaipur in Rajasthan. I enrolled for this course in the year 2008. During my college days I came in contact with the Hare Krishna movement. I attended many lectures in the Akshay Patra (an initiative of ISKCON Bangalore) Jaipur, and fortunately i started chanting also.
These were the days when I started scrutinizingly reading Srila Prabhupada (Founder Acarya of ISKCON and BBT) books and started taking this movement seriously and was able to see my future developing in the guidance of Srila Prabhupada. Just after my college i decided to serve this mission as a missionary and joined Akshay Patra, Jaipur in the year 2012 as a full time Brahmachari. To my surprise Anant sesa Dasa (Vice prisedent, Akshay Patra Jaipur) decided to send me to Akshay patra Hyderabad for training in spiritual life, I was been told that it (training) will be of 6 months and then again I will be transferred back to Akshay Patra Jaipur temple. I remained there for 5 long long months from June 2012 – Nov 2012. Now I will be narrating what I really saw there , the actual picture so that things can become clear and it obviously will be making a big difference to me if one devotee also can analyse it.
Akshay patra hyderabad temple is a temple consisting of a
hall (where 20-25 people can sit), an alter where Sri Sri Gaur Nitai and Srila
Prabhupada sits, a small kitchen, upstairs is the brahmacari asrama.
1. During my initial days i noticed
all the bramacari addressing Satya Gaur candra prabhu as “BADA
PRABHU” (in english BADA means big). Satya gaur candra prabhu was our temple
president and was one of the GBC member of ISKCON Banglore. Similar thing i saw
in akshay patra jaipur temple where each and every devotee used to call
Ratanagada govind prabhu as “BADA PRABHU”,
which i dind’t find any mentioned of this behaviour
by Srila Prabhupada in his Books.
2. When i was assinged kitchen services
there, then i saw that there were two devotees which were incharge of kitchen
and deity worship, these devotees were from Gaudiya Math, there names were:-
Sujit Krsna dasa and Krsna Caran das, both of them were natively from mayapur
and were paid on monthly for providing their services, i asked that why they
are been paid if they come from such a sound spiritual background and moreover
Srila Prabhupada doesn’t gives this instruction in his books, and i got the
reply from Krsna Prem das (my then main preacher) that “you are no- one to
guide us about what srila prabhupada has told and what not”
3. Once i was attending the kirtana. I was hearing it and dancing with a little movement of my legs and hands. But then to my surprise i was aksed by Srivasa pandit prabhu (our then temple commonder) to dance in a particular style with a peculiar movement of hands, i was also asked to stand not aside to Satya Gaur Candra Prabhu, because there was an area predefined within which only senior devotees can stand and hear the kirtana and this i have seen in akshay patra jaipur as well as in ISKCON banglore temple also. I should have done that taking as an instruction from prabhu at that time but i just thought that where it is written in Srila Prabhupada books to dance in a particular manner and moreover i felt that if i will do so i’ll not be able concentrate on the diety.
4.
In every akshay patra there is rule that
before 1st initiation no-one is allowed to play kartals, and what to
speak of mrdanga. I faced similar problems in hyderabad temple even to the
that extent once unknowingly when i was playing the kartals Krsna Prem dasa
snatched it from me which led to bleeding from my middle fingue even. I was
dishartened from this kind of behaviour from devotee’s side there.
5. Once i was reading Krsna book on the
bed which was under the care of Krsna Prem dasa, when he saw me reading there
he came to me and started chastising me which ended up in he slapping me, i
complained this to satya gaur prabhu for this but unfortunately there was no
action from his side, kaunteya dasa one of the devotees present there supported
me also.
6. Once one of the devotees Srivasa Pandit
dasa when he was my main preacher, i was
with him on preaching we went to one to one of our donors and i saw him taking
expensive gifts from that donor. That donor gave him a wrist watch which was
very expensive, later i came to know from him only that he only wanted a watch
and he mentioned this to that donor, the donor out of humility gifted him a
watch, when i asked him (srivas pandit prabhu) that it was not according to Srila
Prabhupada’s instruction then started scolding me “ now you will teach me what Srila
Prabhupada has given us the instruction “ and then argument went on finally he
kicked me on my face.
7. I was even once not allowed to pay
dandvats to the dieties close to area where Satya Gaur Candra Prabhu used to
pay dandvats, and infact none is allowed to pay dandvats there, there is
seperate area where satya gaur candra prabhu only pay dandvats. I was not
knowing at that time about this rule and was later chastised by Krsna Prem
dasa.
I just wanted to humbly ask each and everyone who is reding
this, please let me know if he has read in any book of srila prabhupada or seen
in any video or heared in any audio of Srila Prabhupada that S.P is instructing
about the above scenarios and their conclusions.
I remained in akshay patra hyderabad for 5 long months and
trust me each and every day in this period, these devotees really made very
difficult for me to survive there, i respect
each and every devotees who have dedicated their life in this mission and then
there should a feeling of same respect for a 5 months old devotee or 15 yrs old
devotee in this mission as i think that no-one can satisfy Lord and spiritual
master by no. of years in their service, what matters is the service attitude
and the will to serve more and more.
Thank you
Your’s in the service of Srila Prabhupada
Anirudh Sharma
___________________________________________________________
2) Saurav Gon
One boy Saurav Gon who is doing his LLB from Bhilai wrote about his experiences with A.P, Bhilai. Following are his own words which were posted on the facebook -
Saurav Gon –
“One of Madhupandit's Chela cum servent Vyompada das is also doing such things in Bhilai.. they are just blaspheming doing large scale vaishnav aparadh and literally beating devotees..
they have polluted the atmosphere of Bhilai Chhattisgarh.. they are just after Money they can’t see anything else.. the real devotees are of no value in their eyes rather they are just running after Money and donors..
i cant just express what we all have undergone here.. they are befooling simple and good people of Bhilai and the current temple president of Bhilai AP is just no good than a DON gunda, he says only i can teach u bhakti no one else and he has a mount everest of false pride and ego. We are literally in tears.. they are only after money collection, moreover they have almost stopped the Prabhupad's book distribution and just trying to rob more and more money from people.
They are collecting donation on much false basis even there is an account, i have hard proof and witnesses too that they show on paper that they feed 32000 children from AP Bhilai but they merely feed 16000 for which SAIL and CG Govt funds them fully from water to petrol but they show everywhere that they feed 32000 and collect money on that basis and they dont use it for AP rather they use it in another ways.
They are abusing the minds of young boys like me and making a use in their own way.. i have already left their association and stopped going to temple though i am hankering badly for darshan of Sri Sri Nitai Gaurahari and Sri Sri Radha Krishna Chandra.. but in order to avoid seeing the face of those Madhupanditanugas we dont go to temple but we still carry on our bhakti in a loving manner under Prabhupad's shelter in a house of a devotee couple.. they serve shri shri Govind Gopal and Gaura Nitayi.. we conduct regular sankirtan and all other programs and we are more happy here than AP.. jai guru jai gour.
They have really harassed many boys mentally and i swear on the name of Prabhupad and Krishna that they have harassed a boy in such severe way that the ill effect of their direct and indirect mental harassment lead a former FOLK boy to mental hospital due to depressions and today he suffer traumas and fits of madness and memory loss..
This is nothing but a sad fact of the hate propoganda of madhupandit chelas.. Various boys have fell the victims of them in time to time like Anupam, Satish, Rana, Vimal, Abhishek, Satish 2, and me and many more.. and as we left AP the false stories about us began.. all baseless allegations loads of stories are already being told about us.. but we dont care.. avashya rakshibe krishna for us ,and for them AVASHYA DANDIT KORIBE KRISHNA.”
Saurav Gon.
_______________________________________________________________
3) Satish Mundra
He was being forced to join A.P by utilizing philosophy of surrender to put psychological pressure on him. When he showed his inability to join full time Madhav Charan Das went to the extent of burning his original certificates of his college so that he is left with no option other than “surrendering” to Krishna. This is the consciousness of the senior brahamcharis who are preaching to the youth. One can imagine what kind of training the preachers have gone through and what kind of consciousness they are passing to the next generation.
In the words of Satish Mundra himself which he wrote on facebook, one can have a glimpse as to what happened with him -
“Do you know madhav charan das. He is a folk preacher in jaipur. He fired my all academic certificates and when i asked why you did like this, simply told me that mistakenly happen Yes. After that they removed me from job too. Now i came hyderabad to recover my academic certificates.When he started folk movement i am the first person who joined folk hostel and spend more time for folk improvement.”
And when A.P ‘devotees’ came to know that he is talking on the Facebook against them one of the senior brahamcharis Maha Kurma Das of A.P, Jaipur called him up and threatened him to keep quiet.
___________________________________________________________
4) Ramdas Prabhu
Please refer to the following mail sent by Ramdas Prabhu to hkc.jaipur@hotmail.com when he was asked by us to give in writing about his experiences with A.P -
Open Letter to HKC
I am Ramdas and through this mail I want to share one incident which happened on the day of Janmashtmi last year. I am associated with K.C since last 15 years and go to HKC regularly in Jaipur. HKC had started gurukul few months before the last Janmashtmi.
Dayalu Nitai Prabhu told me that we should advertise this gurukul by distributing brochures in front of ISKCON temple, A.P temple, Sri Radha Goveindevaji temple which are visited by many Krishna devotee families on Janmsashtmi. Dayalu Prabhu told me that Srila Prabhupada wants this and showed me the following quote -
Gurukula Inspection, June 26, 1977, Våndävana
Tamäla Kåñëa: That means we have to canvass vigorously to get students.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Your’s in the service of Srila Prabhupada
Anirudh Sharma
___________________________________________________________
2) Saurav Gon
One boy Saurav Gon who is doing his LLB from Bhilai wrote about his experiences with A.P, Bhilai. Following are his own words which were posted on the facebook -
Saurav Gon –
“One of Madhupandit's Chela cum servent Vyompada das is also doing such things in Bhilai.. they are just blaspheming doing large scale vaishnav aparadh and literally beating devotees..
they have polluted the atmosphere of Bhilai Chhattisgarh.. they are just after Money they can’t see anything else.. the real devotees are of no value in their eyes rather they are just running after Money and donors..
i cant just express what we all have undergone here.. they are befooling simple and good people of Bhilai and the current temple president of Bhilai AP is just no good than a DON gunda, he says only i can teach u bhakti no one else and he has a mount everest of false pride and ego. We are literally in tears.. they are only after money collection, moreover they have almost stopped the Prabhupad's book distribution and just trying to rob more and more money from people.
They are collecting donation on much false basis even there is an account, i have hard proof and witnesses too that they show on paper that they feed 32000 children from AP Bhilai but they merely feed 16000 for which SAIL and CG Govt funds them fully from water to petrol but they show everywhere that they feed 32000 and collect money on that basis and they dont use it for AP rather they use it in another ways.
They are abusing the minds of young boys like me and making a use in their own way.. i have already left their association and stopped going to temple though i am hankering badly for darshan of Sri Sri Nitai Gaurahari and Sri Sri Radha Krishna Chandra.. but in order to avoid seeing the face of those Madhupanditanugas we dont go to temple but we still carry on our bhakti in a loving manner under Prabhupad's shelter in a house of a devotee couple.. they serve shri shri Govind Gopal and Gaura Nitayi.. we conduct regular sankirtan and all other programs and we are more happy here than AP.. jai guru jai gour.
They have really harassed many boys mentally and i swear on the name of Prabhupad and Krishna that they have harassed a boy in such severe way that the ill effect of their direct and indirect mental harassment lead a former FOLK boy to mental hospital due to depressions and today he suffer traumas and fits of madness and memory loss..
This is nothing but a sad fact of the hate propoganda of madhupandit chelas.. Various boys have fell the victims of them in time to time like Anupam, Satish, Rana, Vimal, Abhishek, Satish 2, and me and many more.. and as we left AP the false stories about us began.. all baseless allegations loads of stories are already being told about us.. but we dont care.. avashya rakshibe krishna for us ,and for them AVASHYA DANDIT KORIBE KRISHNA.”
Saurav Gon.
_______________________________________________________________
3) Satish Mundra
He was being forced to join A.P by utilizing philosophy of surrender to put psychological pressure on him. When he showed his inability to join full time Madhav Charan Das went to the extent of burning his original certificates of his college so that he is left with no option other than “surrendering” to Krishna. This is the consciousness of the senior brahamcharis who are preaching to the youth. One can imagine what kind of training the preachers have gone through and what kind of consciousness they are passing to the next generation.
In the words of Satish Mundra himself which he wrote on facebook, one can have a glimpse as to what happened with him -
“Do you know madhav charan das. He is a folk preacher in jaipur. He fired my all academic certificates and when i asked why you did like this, simply told me that mistakenly happen Yes. After that they removed me from job too. Now i came hyderabad to recover my academic certificates.When he started folk movement i am the first person who joined folk hostel and spend more time for folk improvement.”
And when A.P ‘devotees’ came to know that he is talking on the Facebook against them one of the senior brahamcharis Maha Kurma Das of A.P, Jaipur called him up and threatened him to keep quiet.
___________________________________________________________
4) Ramdas Prabhu
Please refer to the following mail sent by Ramdas Prabhu to hkc.jaipur@hotmail.com when he was asked by us to give in writing about his experiences with A.P -
Open Letter to HKC
I am Ramdas and through this mail I want to share one incident which happened on the day of Janmashtmi last year. I am associated with K.C since last 15 years and go to HKC regularly in Jaipur. HKC had started gurukul few months before the last Janmashtmi.
Dayalu Nitai Prabhu told me that we should advertise this gurukul by distributing brochures in front of ISKCON temple, A.P temple, Sri Radha Goveindevaji temple which are visited by many Krishna devotee families on Janmsashtmi. Dayalu Prabhu told me that Srila Prabhupada wants this and showed me the following quote -
Gurukula Inspection, June 26, 1977, Våndävana
Tamäla Kåñëa: That means we have to canvass vigorously to get students.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Akñayänanda:
We have to preach.
Prabhupäda: That is the problem. Keep place ready, but you have to bring students.
Prabhupäda: That is the problem. Keep place ready, but you have to bring students.
Tamäla Kåñëa:
They're not going to come of their own. We have to go out and get them.
Prabhupäda: They will come later on, when they will see: "Yes..."
Prabhupäda: They will come later on, when they will see: "Yes..."
Yaçodänandana:
First we have to get the ISKCON students first.
Prabhupäda: ISKCON or FISKCON, bring students. (laughter)
Prabhupäda: ISKCON or FISKCON, bring students. (laughter)
Dr. Sharma: Prabhupäda,
these students can come, any number you like.
Prabhupäda: So that I want. I want the number. It doesn't matter ISKCON or FISKCON.”
We did not have any trouble distributing these brochures(which had Srila Prabhupada’s photographs, his quotes about Gurukul and information about the gurukul being run by HKC) anywhere else except A.P, Jaipur.
Raghav Pandit Prabhu who is the secretary of HKC, Jaipur called up Ananta Sesha Prabhu of A.P, Jaipur and told him that we want to distribute this brochure about our gurukula in front of your temple. Anant Sesha just said O.K but did not talk further. But when we went there with 2 hostel boys and put up a table 500 metres away from the main gate of A.P, Jaipur campus and started distributing the brochures, some brahamcharis in saffron dress came out from the A.P, temple and caught hold of these 2 boys, snatched the brochures and dragged them inside and threatened them to leave otherwise they will be beaten up.
We tried to reason up with them that we are also Prabhupadanugas and anyway you are not having any gurukula so if some students can be attracted this way what harm will it do to you. We also tried to pacify them that this brochure only contains information about our gurukul and nothing else but they became violent.
When this news reached HKC one full time devotee of HKC – Arjun Prabhu came and asked them to return our brochures and the table. When the A.P devotees saw that many visitors are seeing this, they returned it and Arjun Prabhu again set up the table this time very far away from the main gate of A.P, temple. After some time one of their Brahamchari Anant Virya Das came with hundreds of their staff people and started threatening Arjun Prabhu. When Arjun Prabhu spoke boldly and appealed to the onlookers then many of the people in the public started becoming against this behavior of A.P devotees. When Anant Virya realized that public is becoming against them he quietly went back.
Another interesting thing is that when Arjun Prabhu tried to speak philosophically to this saffron dressed senior brahamchari of A.P, Jaipur, he said that he does not know any philosophy, he has just got the order from higher authorities to remove this and so he just has to execute it. Another point is that these devotees did not even hesitate to snatch the brochures and handle it disrespectfully even after seeing the photograph of Srila Prabhupada on its cover page.
Many people including myself were witness to this whole incident and the phone call recording of the call made by Raghav Pandit Prabhu to Ananta Sesha Prabhu in this connection is still there with us.
your servant,
Ramdas.
_____________________________________________________________
AND LIKE THAT THERE ARE MANY MANY CASES …
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Please note the following lines of MPP written to Dayalu Nitai Prabhu on 18th January 2014.
“I have already told you in our group we have disciplined way of working.”
This is what he means by discipline, to shut down one’s intelligence and just blindly surrender to some authority even if he is deviating from Srila Prabhupada. This is what guruvada in Iskcon is doing. But at least the gurus in ISKCON are openly saying that they are gurus and one must surrender to them but this IB group of devotees are even more dangerous – practicing guruvada principles in the name of Prabhupadanugas. Please note the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection -
“The Buddhists, they did not accept Vedic authorities; therefore they are considered as nästika. But vedäçraya nästikya vada. These rascals, they accept Vedas and preaches atheism. So they are more dangerous than the Buddhists.”
- Morning Walk,September 13, 1975, Våndävana.
Prabhupäda: So that I want. I want the number. It doesn't matter ISKCON or FISKCON.”
We did not have any trouble distributing these brochures(which had Srila Prabhupada’s photographs, his quotes about Gurukul and information about the gurukul being run by HKC) anywhere else except A.P, Jaipur.
Raghav Pandit Prabhu who is the secretary of HKC, Jaipur called up Ananta Sesha Prabhu of A.P, Jaipur and told him that we want to distribute this brochure about our gurukula in front of your temple. Anant Sesha just said O.K but did not talk further. But when we went there with 2 hostel boys and put up a table 500 metres away from the main gate of A.P, Jaipur campus and started distributing the brochures, some brahamcharis in saffron dress came out from the A.P, temple and caught hold of these 2 boys, snatched the brochures and dragged them inside and threatened them to leave otherwise they will be beaten up.
We tried to reason up with them that we are also Prabhupadanugas and anyway you are not having any gurukula so if some students can be attracted this way what harm will it do to you. We also tried to pacify them that this brochure only contains information about our gurukul and nothing else but they became violent.
When this news reached HKC one full time devotee of HKC – Arjun Prabhu came and asked them to return our brochures and the table. When the A.P devotees saw that many visitors are seeing this, they returned it and Arjun Prabhu again set up the table this time very far away from the main gate of A.P, temple. After some time one of their Brahamchari Anant Virya Das came with hundreds of their staff people and started threatening Arjun Prabhu. When Arjun Prabhu spoke boldly and appealed to the onlookers then many of the people in the public started becoming against this behavior of A.P devotees. When Anant Virya realized that public is becoming against them he quietly went back.
Another interesting thing is that when Arjun Prabhu tried to speak philosophically to this saffron dressed senior brahamchari of A.P, Jaipur, he said that he does not know any philosophy, he has just got the order from higher authorities to remove this and so he just has to execute it. Another point is that these devotees did not even hesitate to snatch the brochures and handle it disrespectfully even after seeing the photograph of Srila Prabhupada on its cover page.
Many people including myself were witness to this whole incident and the phone call recording of the call made by Raghav Pandit Prabhu to Ananta Sesha Prabhu in this connection is still there with us.
your servant,
Ramdas.
_____________________________________________________________
AND LIKE THAT THERE ARE MANY MANY CASES …
_____________________________________________________________
Please note the following lines of MPP written to Dayalu Nitai Prabhu on 18th January 2014.
“I have already told you in our group we have disciplined way of working.”
This is what he means by discipline, to shut down one’s intelligence and just blindly surrender to some authority even if he is deviating from Srila Prabhupada. This is what guruvada in Iskcon is doing. But at least the gurus in ISKCON are openly saying that they are gurus and one must surrender to them but this IB group of devotees are even more dangerous – practicing guruvada principles in the name of Prabhupadanugas. Please note the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection -
“The Buddhists, they did not accept Vedic authorities; therefore they are considered as nästika. But vedäçraya nästikya vada. These rascals, they accept Vedas and preaches atheism. So they are more dangerous than the Buddhists.”
- Morning Walk,September 13, 1975, Våndävana.
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